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Celanese(CE) - 2023 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript
CECelanese(CE)2024-02-21 18:56

Financial Data and Key Metrics - The company expects a significant uplift in M&M earnings in Q1 2024, with Q1 anticipated to be the highest quarterly EBITDA since the acquisition [13] - Synergies for 2024 are expected to be 150million,with40150 million, with 40% showing up in M&M and the majority in the EM profile [17] - The company achieved 100 million in synergies in 2023, slightly lower than earlier expectations due to volume-related issues [75] - The foundational level of earnings in acetyls is 1.3billion,withanexpectedincreaseof1.3 billion, with an expected increase of 100 million in 2024 due to productivity from the Clear Lake expansion [85] Business Line Data and Key Metrics - The M&M business is expected to see recovery in auto versus seasonal destocking experienced in Q4 2023, with initial fixed cost improvements becoming more meaningful in the second half of 2024 [38] - The nylon business is seeing stability and expanding margins, with efforts to recover lost volume share [70] - The acetate tow business exceeded its 245millionEBITtargetin2023,contributingtothestabilizationoftheacetylchain[77]MarketDataandKeyMetricsInChina,demandforconsumptionisapproachingnormallevels,butexportstoEuroperemaindepressed[30]IntheAmericas,demandisgraduallyreturning,withimprovementinindustrialsectorsbutseasonaldestockinginauto[30]Europeisexpectedtotakelongertoreturntonormaldemandpatterns,withsomeimprovementinconstructionandVAMpricing[32]CompanyStrategyandIndustryCompetitionThecompanyisfocusedoncontrollingcontrollablefactors,witha245 million EBIT target in 2023, contributing to the stabilization of the acetyl chain [77] Market Data and Key Metrics - In China, demand for consumption is approaching normal levels, but exports to Europe remain depressed [30] - In the Americas, demand is gradually returning, with improvement in industrial sectors but seasonal destocking in auto [30] - Europe is expected to take longer to return to normal demand patterns, with some improvement in construction and VAM pricing [32] Company Strategy and Industry Competition - The company is focused on controlling controllable factors, with a 11 to 12guideassumingdiminishingdestockingbutnotasignificantuptickindemand[31]TheSAPintegrationwascompletedsmoothly,withthelastversiongoingliveonFebruary1,2024,markingasignificantstepinachievingsynergies[16][40]Thecompanyiscommittedtodeleveragingtoa3xtarget,withafocusonfreecashflowgenerationandmaintaininginvestmentgrade[91][95]ManagementCommentaryonOperatingEnvironmentandFutureOutlookManagementisconfidentindelivering12 guide assuming diminishing destocking but not a significant uptick in demand [31] - The SAP integration was completed smoothly, with the last version going live on February 1, 2024, marking a significant step in achieving synergies [16][40] - The company is committed to deleveraging to a 3x target, with a focus on free cash flow generation and maintaining investment grade [91][95] Management Commentary on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management is confident in delivering 150 million in synergies for 2024, driven by footprint optimization, SAP integration, and cross-sell opportunities [72] - The company expects a meaningful lift in M&M earnings in Q1 2024, driven by lower raw material and fixed costs [13] - The outlook for 2024 assumes below-normal demand patterns but without destocking, with a focus on controllable factors [31] Other Important Information - The company completed its SAP integration, which is expected to help achieve the next level of synergy and improve operational efficiency [40] - The Clear Lake acetic acid expansion is expected to contribute 100millioninproductivity,withpotentialforhigherreturnsinperiodsofhighdemand[55]Thecompanyisfocusedoncreatingabusinessmodelfornylonthatdeliversaminimumof25100 million in productivity, with potential for higher returns in periods of high demand [55] - The company is focused on creating a business model for nylon that delivers a minimum of 25% EBITDA in any economic environment [102] Q&A Session Summary Question: What are the expectations for the M&M business in 2024? - The company expects recovery in auto and initial fixed cost improvements, with more meaningful impacts in the second half of 2024 [38] Question: How is the SAP integration progressing? - The SAP integration was completed smoothly, with the last version going live on February 1, 2024, and is expected to help achieve synergies [16][40] Question: What is the outlook for raw material costs in 2024? - The company is focused on controlling controllable factors, with lower raw material costs expected to flow through earnings [41] Question: What are the expectations for auto builds in 2024? - The company expects auto builds to be flattish, with its business growing 150 to 200 basis points above industry builds [80] Question: What is the impact of the Red Sea disruptions on the company? - The company has not seen significant impacts from the Red Sea disruptions, with its global supply chain providing flexibility [110] Question: What is the long-run EBITDA potential for the Clear Lake acetic acid expansion? - The Clear Lake expansion is expected to contribute 100 million in productivity, with potential for higher returns in periods of high demand [55]